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United by grief, families of Boeing crash victims demand justice
Yahoo ^ | Charlotte Causit, Paul Nolp

Posted on 04/25/2024 7:04:30 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

They can't bring back their children, siblings or partners, but five years on, the families of the 2019 Boeing crash victims want to ensure a similar tragedy never happens again.

"We've got French people, Canadians, Americans, Irish, British, we're all there together and we're fighting for something together," Naoise Ryan, holding a photo of her late husband Mick, told reporters on Wednesday.

The Irishman was one of 157 killed when a Boeing 737 MAX operated by Ethiopian Airlines plunged into the ground minutes after take-off on March 10, 2019.

Ryan is among hundreds of family members calling for the US Justice Department to prosecute Boeing, along with relatives of the victims of another Boeing 737 MAX crash five months earlier, in which 189 people died on a Lion Air flight in Indonesia.

"I can tell you, it's hell," Ryan said of losing her husband.

A hell she relives after each new meeting, such as the one held with justice officials this week, aimed at holding Boeing accountable -- with little sign of progress.

The families' push for justice comes as Boeing faces wider scrutiny after a series of errors, including when a door plug fell out of the fuselage of a Boeing 737 MAX operated by Alaska Airlines in January, leaving a gaping hole in the cabin.

The US Justice Department has a July deadline to determine whether Boeing has violated a deferred-prosecution agreement put in place after the 2018 and 2019 crashes.

The American aviation giant could face criminal charges if so.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: boeing

1 posted on 04/25/2024 7:04:30 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Memory might be short, and/or I’m not paying attention, but can’t recall a crusade against the manufacturer of any plane that’s crashed before now.

And even if there was, it doesn’t mean this isn’t exhibit 100 and something in the takedown of Boeing.


2 posted on 04/25/2024 7:08:07 PM PDT by xoxox
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The g word here is greed. Without a DOJ prosecution, their monetary claims are limited. If the DOJ jumps in, the drawings for further rounds of lawsuit lottery get going.


3 posted on 04/25/2024 7:10:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

United actually has decent well trained non-Ethiopian pilots, and a service/management crew

Just Say’n


4 posted on 04/25/2024 7:15:18 PM PDT by algore
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To: algore
You couldn't give me a free ticket and 20,000 bonus miles to fly Ethiopian Airlines. I''d rather walk, thank you.

5 posted on 04/25/2024 7:21:07 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m old enough to remember when they sold flight insurance in kiosks at the airport.


6 posted on 04/25/2024 7:51:48 PM PDT by volare737 (Diversity is something to be overcome, not celebrated.)
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To: volare737

Justice or money?


7 posted on 04/25/2024 7:57:31 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Just saying...


8 posted on 04/25/2024 7:59:45 PM PDT by volare737 (Diversity is something to be overcome, not celebrated.)
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To: algore; Governor Dinwiddie
To repeat a famous quote...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

First the Max 8 crashes had nothing to do with pilot error, it was purely a Boeing screw up. Second Ethiopian is one of the best and safest airlines in the world with a 4 star Skytrax rating.

Ethiopian Airlines Rating Analysis

Meanwhile United is a mediocre 3 stars...

United Airlines Rating Analysis

Maybe educate yourself before making silly statements that insult innocent victims.

Just Say'n
9 posted on 04/25/2024 8:00:06 PM PDT by battousai (Trump 2024 to save the planet!)
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To: volare737

And I’m old enough to remember when Boeing’s primary focus was on making safe and innovative AIRPLANES, rather than quarterly bonuses.


10 posted on 04/25/2024 8:01:47 PM PDT by TomEd (Her şey hazır! Buyrun, şölene!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I remember a Boeing engineer relative of my wife telling me, YEARS AGO, he would never fly on any African airline. He said the pilots who came to Seattle from Africa to train on Boeing aircraft did not like to study the manuals or immerse themselves in the classroom training. They just wanted to jump aboard and get their hands on the controls and get their new Boeing plane up into the air.

He also said their maintenance operations were a disgrace. If cabin pressurization failed, they would often not immediately ground the aircraft until it was repaired. They would just keep flying the plane and keep it below 10,000 feet.


11 posted on 04/25/2024 8:02:29 PM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: Gnome1949

They were DEI before it was cool.


12 posted on 04/25/2024 8:11:31 PM PDT by Right Brother (Pray for God's intervention to stop UMCRevMom's invasion of Free Republic.)
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To: battousai

well one of those airlines got as many extra votes as Biden.

one of them did not have any crashes, nor did any Alaska or any of the other major 737 max customers.

do I think Boeing did the wrong thing, oh hell yes.

did the plane purchasing manager screw up when he did not get the redundant sensor, yep.

why was it optional ? I have no idea.


13 posted on 04/25/2024 8:12:20 PM PDT by algore
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Sounds more like an ambulance chaser has rounded up some clients.


14 posted on 04/25/2024 8:36:03 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703


15 posted on 04/25/2024 8:37:23 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: battousai; algore; Governor Dinwiddie
First the Max 8 crashes had nothing to do with pilot error, it was purely a Boeing screw up. Second Ethiopian is one of the best and safest airlines in the world with a 4 star Skytrax rating.

Leave the Gov alone, he is right, you are too politically correct to notice. I'm sure you are aware that our own Southwest Airlines has be operating the Max variant since 2017 with Zero...ZERO problems. Apparently the SW pilots knew how to manually fly an airplane before they transitioned to the Max. I guess the African pilots sent in their two Post Toasties box tops and a quarter to get their license and it did not include manual flight, nor the optional lesson on keeping track of the horizon. I'm sure you have strong opinions but they do not square with the facts, and I'm more than a little disappointed about that. You fell for the obfuscation put out by the DEI crowd to shield the pilots and go after a fat targel.

16 posted on 04/25/2024 9:08:15 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy ("Man is the only pack animal that will follow an unstable leader." Cesar Chavez)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Here's how Boeing got their name...
     


Boing!  Boing!   Boing!

17 posted on 04/25/2024 9:18:23 PM PDT by Songcraft ( )
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To: battousai

By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter
In his opening statement Wednesday at the House Aviation subcommittee hearing on the 737 MAX in Washington, D.C., the lead Republican congressman blamed errors by the Indonesian and Ethiopian pilots for the two deadly MAX crashes in those countries.

“Pilots trained in the United States would have successfully been able to handle” the emergencies on both jets, said Rep. Sam Graves of Missouri, ranking member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. He added that preliminary reports about the accident “compound my concerns about quality training standards in other countries.”

Graves was repeating the main points in a report written by two pilots at a major U.S. airline that pointed to pilot error as “the most consequential factor” in both crashes.

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Boeing’s the deep pocket. SW Airlines flies approximately 800 737’s 3,375 times per day and has never had a major crash in their 53 year history. I admit I don’t have any expertise on this subject but, in my opinion, the facts I’ve read suggest the Ethiopian pilots had not been trained thoroughly to handle the defective software. If I’m right, Boeing is only 50% (approximately) responsible.


18 posted on 04/25/2024 10:14:43 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: TomEd

Yes, but then came DEI and secular humanism. American industry is greedy and in bed with the climate alarmists. What happened to our meritocracy?


19 posted on 04/26/2024 5:09:56 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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